What about juveniles getting life without parole?
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| That's what is wrong with this country now.... too many closet liberals disguised as conservatives looking for any excuse to justify a crime. | |
daniel6
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No way should a child be put in prison for life but in turn he/she needs help thats where the money should go for better help for our children our children to day are under so much pressure and getting sexually abused for years and verably abused its no wonder some do the things they do no it dont make it right but we as people responable adults should pay more attention to all children around us there are signs and do something aqbout it not wait until a child commits a crime then takes his/her life away for ever cruel very cruel |
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jlf99jlf
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Your article is compelling. You mention that some of these children have yet to grow facial hair, or still have teddy bears. My question to you is, WHAT ABOUT THEIR VICTIMS? I was a corrections officer for 6 years before moving to a county juvenile detention position locally, and I see juvenile felons everyday. I realize that they are still children themselves, but what about the terrible crimes that they have committed. I've seen murderers, rapists, child molesters, and other violent offenders in my career. When will we give their victims the same rights that we give the one who committed these crimes? Do they not deserve the same? I understand that we need to focus on rehabilitating our young offenders, but shouldn't we also make damn sure that our punnishments are harsh enough to deter others from committing these crimes? If we sentance a juvenile to LWOP, why not sentance one to the Death Penalty as well. ALL LWOP DOES IS TAX OUR ALREADY OVERPOPULATED PRISON SYSTEMS! I realize that I will not make any friends here, but I feel that we should have the same punnishments for the same crimes, especially if those crimes are of the violent type, no matter if the perpetrator is an adult or juvenile. Thank you. Jeff Foust |
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rfroese
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18 years in Corrections. Deterrence is beginning to work now? I do not see it. US still has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world based on 'deterrence' and its not working. Cognitive-behaviour programs work and if the juvenile offender is given a sentence where he can get suitable programming it is possible to reduce recidivism and habilitate or rehabilitate the offender. We can do nothing for the victim of record but we can do a lot for minimizing any future victims. |
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curtis Mayfield
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Thou Shalt Not Kill. |
| The reality is harsh , but true. I have been in corrections for 20 years. Many of the men I see are already doomed. And so it is with many juveniles. I have a good friend who works with juveniles and he simply says' Be ready because in a few years they will be coming to your facility (I work at an adult mens facility) We need to have programs available for these guys and here we have outstanding resources for them if they want to change, but that is the rub for most of these guys , they simply dont want to. And for me I want them off the streets for good so they cant hurt any one anymore | |
| Continuing-our facility is in the midst of expansion-and since beginning my career here our population has steadily risen. It is now generational for me. I have seen sons and fathers both incarcerated and they have children out of wedlock and the trend continues. If you really want to stop crime it has to start by men becoming fathers to their children and somehow coming up with a plan so that men cant father multiple children but yet not be around for them. It is complex but stated simply the break down of the family and men-women having far too many children , but not being responsible parents. I have two children myself and it is an all consuming job, but yet the men I see here at the jail brag of the many kids they have fathered , but they are not around to guide them. Kids left to themselves might turn out okay, but we all know that most of them grow up and have lots of problems. It is no small problem and I am pessimistic that it will ever be solved. We continue to build more jails and now we have a responsibility to citizens to keep the streets safe and until we come up with better ideas it is a downward spiral that will continue. | |
| I don't think there sould be any especial concideration to a person who kill a famaly, abuse kid, etc | |
| 'Yes' I totally agree with the concept of putting away the garbage of society, behind bars for life without any type of parole. The streets will be alot 'safer' from these 'thugs', that prey on our law-abiling citizens. Todays generation are whats left from the 60's and there drugs usage and that baby-boom society of lets make love, not war. Oh yes lets not forget the 500,000 at woodstock and there crazy drug craze. Things are getting worse everyday and its not getting better. So put these thugs behind bars, where they belong. God Bless America. | |
| Locking away juveniles for life is not the answer, they are the symptom, not the problem. When I began advocating for youth in the early seventies the people in the educational system, in law enforcement and in juvenile corrections were there because they wanted to make a difference. What has changed is that now the survival of the system is the primary objective and the youth have become a secondary consideration. This idea of locking youth away without addressing the real issues for change only lends credibility to the theory of Perpetual motion. | |
| Minimizing victims is an interesting choice of words. Lock them up and worry about the potential of others. Why take the chance with further victimization? Recidivism statistics speak for themselves. Prison is where they belong. Let them victimize themselves. | |
| Dear Sir, This sounds awfully exspensive.It seems to me that a worst case scenario would include such an extreme move. | |
| I think any time you have to put away some one that young it is extremely sad, but when the violence committed is so outrageous we(society) is faced with little choices. We need for people to be safe and yet we want to steer young people away from a life of violent crime. I have 21 years of corrections and really dont have any answers any more, it seems to be getting worse | |
tina
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I don’t think juveniles should be put to death because they are still young, and can still be taught. Their minds are not yet mature enough to make rational decisions. If we can deter them from crime without killing them I feel that is the best solution. We should try to help children not kill them because they committed a crime. |
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tina
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I posted earlier about death penalty, but the topic was life without parole. I don’t feel juveniles should be locked away for life unless the justice system has exhausted all hope for a juvenile to be able to get help. I would say it depends on the individual and the situation, but if we can deter juveniles from committing crime by teaching them than I feel we should first try to help the juvenile instead of locking them up for life. The juvenile is not getting any help being locked away in prison, but if we can some how treat the juvenile than maybe we can help them at a life that does not involve crime. I am a Criminal Justice student currently, so I am in the process of learning how the Criminal Justice System works. |
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dran
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does the three strike rule apply to juveniles? |
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puerto rican
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Anybody know the answer to the 3 strikes & juveniles question? |
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brittany611
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Well I think (personally) it would probably be the child’s parent fault in a way because that parent child wasn’t giving them the attention that he/she needed and they just went bad and yes I am a parent of 2 and I don’t spoil them but they get all of my attention @ any time so I don’t think any child should get life in prison they haven’t even experienced live very well…they need a second chance to go out there and prove to family/friends/enemies that they can do good. |
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Mista-Mr
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In my opinion, both sides have great points, but both sides have consequences of our actions. Let’s say that a child (juvenile) is released from being successfully rehabilitated and once out into society he or she commits a similar crime, then what? They successfully went through rehabilitation, so why did they recommit their crimes. Two possible reasons; 1) we’ve failed them or 2) they played us, or a combination of both. It is known of both situations occurring. The other side propose that we leave the little trouble makers (juveniles) in the care of corrections until their sentence has been filled. The problems with that are funding, overcrowding, and a possible chance of pushing them to become a lot worse than when they first enter the system. |
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IllPhillyPhan
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I have worked with both adults and juveniles over my 15 years in corrections, and I can definitely say working with juveniles is worse than working with adults. Juveniles just don’t give a damn. I worked at a treatment facility for juvenile sex offenders, and we had a recidivism rate near 80%. Some kids are just born evil, and I have no problem locking htem up and throwing away the key. |
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prisonco
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Work a youthful offender dorm at an adult institution. The majority of them have comitted heinous crimes, charged as an adult and are serving life in prison. Florida abolished parole a long time ago so life in prison means natural life. They will only be released from the confines of the perimeter in a body bag. Working with juveniles takes a lot of patience. Trying to control them with threats and intimidation will just get your butt kicked by them. Staff interaction and direction is how to deal with them. They can not be ignored or they will cause problems. Stand your ground and let them know the direction you want them to go and that if they stray from that direction there are consequences. (i.e. loss of gain time, confinement, etc.) I don’t yell, scream, “snap”, get frustrated or threaten them, however if they stray I will administer progressive discipline including confinement. I have yet to have a juvenile “snap” on me, threaten me, assault me or physically refuse to be handcuffed. I refuse to let them get the better of me at work and especially refuse to bring it home. I have been asked by the administration why I like working with them. It is a daily challenge to keep them in line. These kids were not born evil or bad. They had no responsible adult to point them in the right direction. They are a product of their society watching everyone they know committing crimes. They do know right from wrong however they have been taught that the wrong way is the fastest and easiest way to get by. It is my job to interact with these kids and keep them under control by teaching them to right way to accomplish things. |
TwelveOzCurl
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If you’re big enough to do the crime, you’re big enough to serve your time. |
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